[Bug 1550] Move from 3DES to AES-256 for private key encryption

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--- Comment #6 from Jim Knoble <jmknoble at pobox.com>  2009-01-23 07:56:39 ---
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:49:01 -0500
From: Jim Knoble <jmknoble at pobox.com>
To: OpenSSH Devel <openssh-unix-dev at mindrot.org>
Subject: Re: OpenSSH private key encryption: time for AES?
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Circa 2009-01-20 23:16 dixit Damien Miller:

: On Tue, 20 Jan 2009, Jim Knoble wrote:
: >     $ cat id_rsa-unencrypted |ssh-add /dev/stdin
: >     $ ssh-add -l |fgrep /dev/stdin
: >     2048 xx:xx:xx:...:xx:xx:xx /dev/stdin (RSA)
: >     $ 
: Does that work without the patch? I don't think it would even with
: the current cipher because it needs to reread the file IIRC.

It's an unpatched ssh-keygen (OpenSSH_4.6p1 Debian-5ubuntu0.6, OpenSSL
0.9.8e 23 Feb 2007).

: > If both operations worked, then one could use an external
: > encryption/decryption facility with one's private keys, e.g.:
: > 
: >     openssl enc -d -in ~/.ssh/id_rsa -aes-256-cbc |ssh-add
: > 
: > (although it would take a passphrase to remove a key from
: Wouldn't this just require the former to work? You'd be passing keys
: to ssh-agent in unencrypted form always, no?

Not sure i understand.  The only decryption would happen in the
'openssl | ssh-add' pipeline.  In order to know which key to remove,
ssh-add would need to read the unencrypted key, which would only be
available by decrypting it in the pipeline, supplying a passphrase to
the 'openssl' command.  Currently, 'ssh-add -d' doesn't require a
passphrase for an OpenSSH-encrypted private key.

I like the flexibility of being able to use stdin with ssh-add (and i
would prefer 'ssh-add -' rather than 'ssh-add /dev/stdin', but
whatever).  However, all the above may be moot in light of the
discussion further below.

: The key encryption for SSH protocol 2 keys is done by OpenSSL's PEM
: functions, so AES should be supported by any OpenSSL version that
: AES in PEM. IIRC this has been supported for a number of years.

If older OpenSSH (to a point) would "just work" reading private keys
encrypted with AES-256, then that's fantastic, and no need for any
further options to ssh-keygen.

: If we change then it should be to the best encryption that is
supported by
: widely deployed SSL/OpenSSH versions.

Agreed.  Private keys are short, and even if decryption happens
frequently, it takes much longer to enter a passphrase than to decrypt
the key (and both decryption and passphrase can be mitigated via

jim knoble  |  jmknoble at pobox.com  |  http://www.pobox.com/~jmknoble/

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